Posts by darth frosty

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BrotherDan's POV

by PSacramento in

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brotherdan seems to have left and before he did he psoted this:.

so this is goodbye.

thanks for the help in getting out of the cult.

I have a problem with this word "faith" as religious people throw it around. Jesus said that a tiny amount of "faith" the size of a mustard grain can cause a person to have great powers. He likened it to making a mountain move from one place to another. What did he mean by this "faith"? I believe he meant "knowing". When you KNOW you can do something, you DO IT! When you "believe" you can do something, you leave the door open to fall short. When you "know", then falling short doesn't deter you, it just makes you try again.

One of my main objectives is to try to get people, especially Christians, and particularly JW's or ex-JW's, to realize that "beliefs" don't mean a heck of a lot as far as being "saved". The only "belief" that's going to save you is the KNOWLEDGE that you were never lost in the first place.

Simply "believing" that Jesus died for our sins and that we are saved as a result is probably the biggest hindrance to spiritual growth and keeps a person in third-eye-blind la-la land. One of the big secrets that's been kept from us (mostly by the Roman Church) is that since Christ is a consciousness and an energy, we can all BE Christs and hence our inner Divine Spirit. This is borne out by the fact that the Watchtower claims that the "anointed" are all "Christs".

Another suppression is that we are all one and we are all connected, so eloquently stated in our Great Master's prayer in the 17th chapter of John. The last thing the ruling elite want people to know about is the power of unified group consciousness. A small minority has always been able to change the world and that is still how it works. One person shining a light in a dark place allows many to see. Separateness is an illusion. While we have individuality, we are all capable of going "online", but our modems have been disabled by negative programming. The teachings of Masters like Buddha and Jesus and many others show us the WAY to turn them on.

~PS

Very well put This along with Mr. Flippers words:

Most people on this board , myself included, aren't interested in shaking up anyone's faith as much as we are interested in making people think with a clear, free, open, critical thinking mind Really sum up how to deal with others on this site. If you have a belief that is yours. It can be challenged, refuted and out right called a lie...But if you believe it, if ity serves to help you in your life than so be it. But, dont put your beliefs out there and than feel hurt when they are challenged. If you start a thread and people challenge your opinion you have to accept the critique. Im not saying you have to change your beliefs but you have to accept that other will have differeing opinions and will present the evidence for their views.

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AGuest:

by Vicosovich_R in

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do you believe that just because you start your posts with, may you have peace, that you are genuinely kind?

when in actuality, when you greet people with that message, then follow it with sarcasm and snide remarks, you are really being cruel.

when was cruelty ever synonymous with being faithful?

darth frosty

So your first post is an attack on a longtime poster?!?

Whether you like Aguest or not there is no need to question her like you have. If there is a specific post or something that disturbed you said post should be presented.

Otherwise I would like for the mods to delete this thread because it has no subtance except to take out a petty gripe against another poster.

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Can we understand the Bible without the Watchtower?

by brotherdan in

not according to c.t russell.

in the september 15, 1910 wt he made these shocking claims regarding the 6 scripture studies that he wrote:.

"that is to say, they are not merely comments on the bible, but they are practically the bible itself...".

darth frosty

(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

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Can we understand the Bible without the Watchtower?

by brotherdan in

not according to c.t russell.

in the september 15, 1910 wt he made these shocking claims regarding the 6 scripture studies that he wrote:.

"that is to say, they are not merely comments on the bible, but they are practically the bible itself...".

darth frosty

God never commanded anyone to "rape" anyone. God never commanded anyone to take a "slave". There are some cultural things that we don't understand but if you read the OT with an open mind and heart, you can see that God WAS a truly loving God.

Zechariah 14:1,2
1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

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Elders, please read this thread

by asilentone in

notverylikely said there are average 2 bible studies per month for each 100 publishers.

i told him that i disagree.

since i was a secretary's helper, i have seen pioneers put pretty good number of bible studies on field service reports each month.

darth frosty

I agree with NVL there are a lot of phantom and friendly studies (pioneers/MS studying with peoples kids, family members etc) that need to be separated.

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at the beach with the anointed

by joelingeorgia in

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how many of you have been to the beach with one of the anointed and the son of one of the anointed (different annointed)?.

darth frosty

I was at the beech at coney island and I was told that knorr used to like to go to that beech so using there definition of generation overlap (and applying a day for a year) yes I was at the beech with an anointed and the son of another anointed...along with gene simmons from KISS.

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Christianity Refutes Itself.

by whereami in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmp-5jd_oaq.

darth frosty

Vid quotes john 17 jesus prayer that god bless his disciples to be 1 as he and gof are one. than narator talks about the different factions (diff baptist and etc etc.)

Than narator says how xtians are not 1. While I agree narator comes off condecending.

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strange comment from elder at the meeting today

by Evidently Apostate in

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todays watchtower was especially nauseating but during the study one of them made the comment concerning the big a " jehovahs timetable is not contingent on all nations being saturated by the good news".

the study conductor reafirmed his point and then continued.. wait a fuggin minute!

there are 1.4 billion chinese on the earth and only 40 million profess christianity.

darth frosty

Umm...aint this the same religion that says a generation can overlap?

Just saying.

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Throwing a wet blanket on 2034

by pirata in

on a few occasions i've heard suggestions of 2034 as the "date", since it is 120 years after 1914; just like noah's time.. it looks to me like the governing body is being pro-active in preventing this in becoming a date that is speculated on.. the dec 15, 2010 wt (printed version) has an interesting qfr, asking if noah had knowledge of the 120 years.

the answer was: noah didn't know about the 120 year time period, but that didn't matter to him because he knew it was coming and kept busy.

i don't currently have the printed copy handy but can post a few quotes from it later on (unless someone else has it handy).. just thought it was interesting.

darth frosty

Hmm so they are opposing the very sentiment they stated in the 12/15/03 WT

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What Would Bring The Watchtower Down?

by metatron in

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randy/dogpatch has posted some interesting material about troubles in the organization.

this info generated a lot of skepticism about the possibility of watchtower fragmentation.

frankly, it is very easy to be skeptical considering everything that ordinary witnesses are willing to believe or put up with.. i think it would be useful to realistically consider what sort of event(s) would bring the watchtower down or cause its fragmentation?

darth frosty

I'll tell you my #1 lack of men to fulfill or aspire to the leadership roles of elder and MS.

Now I know there are several who are thrust into these positions but the talent and abilties of these brothers are not what they had access to in the past.

I have a friend who's son is 14/15 and is friends with a JW kid of the same age. The kid loves to spend times and sleep over with my friends son, even taking short vacations with him. I commend the parents allowing their JW son to have a 'worldly' friend and recognizing that my friends son is an exceptional youth.

Now my point of all this the kid was supose to spend the weekend with my friend but couldn't because he found out he had to read sunday. When my friend told me this I thought wow thats rare air for a 15 year old to be reading the WT. I couldn't help but wonder was this due to his ability or the fact they have no other brothers capable or at least not enough for a good rotation.

Needless to say I would love to talk to this kid, from the way my friend describes him sounds a lot like myself coming up.